Derwin Gray, former NFL player and Lead Pastor of Transformation Church in Indian Lake, SC, is truly one of the most grounded, thoughtful, and balanced leaders we’ve met.
The 95Podcast
Practical conversations for small and midsize church leaders.
Hosted by Dale Sellers, Executive Director of 95Network and former small church pastor, the 95Podcast addresses the real challenges pastors face every week—from church health, leadership clarity, to the everyday realities of leading without large staff or large budgets. These are straightforward conversations rooted in experience, not theory.
New episodes release every Tuesday wherever you listen to podcasts or delivered straight to your inbox.
Decision Fatigue, Pastoral Exhaustion, and the Role of Social Change (w/ Brian Weber) – Episode 54
Brian Weber is the Executive Minister of Converge MidAtlantic, having the opportunity to work directly with church leaders each and every week.
Jeff VanderGiessen on Navigating Ministry Loss, Why Rest Makes You a Better Leader, and Where the Church is Headed – Episode 53
Jeff VanderGiessen spent eight years working at Mars Hill Church in Seattle before he felt God’s call to launch Amplio Systems in Chicago.
Barb Roose on Creativity During COVID-19, Making the Bible Practical, the (g)race project, and Recovering From Divorce – Episode 52
Barb Roose is an incredible, fun leader with a HUGE heart for the Church, and this episode is jam-packed with wisdom for church leaders.
How to Reach Generation Z (w/ Jordan Francis) – Episode 51
Jordan Francis is the Co-Founder of RLTK, an organization that exists solely to equip leaders to better engage Gen Z. His honesty and insight into the barriers that exist in many ministries is so helpful.
Jon Sanders on God’s Desire to Do Big Things in Small Places – Episode 50
Jon Sanders is the Founder of the Small Town Big Church Network, an incredible ministry to support and encourage leaders in small towns and rural contexts.
Chad Hunt on Your Church as a Blank Canvas, the Value of VisionDay, and God’s Choice for You to Lead Right Now – Episode 49
Chad has led hundreds of churches through coaching and consulting processes over the years and is our newest addition to the 95Network team. Listen in for a great conversation!
Capturing the Heart of the Next Generation – Episode 48
Our Enemy wants to keep leaders discouraged not just to limit our effectiveness today. But ultimately to keep us from effectively engaging the next generation.
An Honest Look: 4 Questions Every Leader Needs to Answer – Episode 47
Today, we discuss approval addiction, leading “surrendered,” negative thinking, and what remains of your passion for the next generation. Take a listen!
4 Warning Signs You’re Becoming Stalled – Episode 46
Today on the podcast, we discuss the 4 warning signs a ministry leader is becoming stalled. I hope this is a simple check-in for you to be honest about your own health.
Leadership Straight Talk with Shawn Lovejoy – Episode 45
We were honored to have Shawn Lovejoy join us for Episode 45 of the podcast for some straight-shootin’ leadership wisdom.
40 Years in the Making: Dale’s Stalled Story – Episode 44
Today on the podcast, Austin interviews Dale about his own story, walking through the ministry stress that led to his open heart surgery and how he got to the place he told his friend Tony, ‘I thought I’d be there by now.’





























